Curse

zwei2stein · Nov 25, 2007, 01:35 PM // 13:35

Pretty much everything in prophecies was doable with henchmen, even sorrows quests. With exception of elite stuff like fow/uw and some titan quests, of course that was only because henches were not avaiable or simply not up the task.

Mineria · Nov 25, 2007, 05:08 PM // 17:08

To the OP's question: Why have 25 heros to use 3 at a time?

To have choice of variety and some storage place free.
Different looks and different build combos which include runes/insignias.

WarlordGrievous · Nov 25, 2007, 06:15 PM // 18:15

They shouldn't have added heroes in the first place, imo. Instead buff hench or so with advanced controls

patrona · Nov 25, 2007, 06:28 PM // 18:28

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Originally Posted by WarlordGrievous

They shouldn't have added heroes in the first place, imo. Instead buff hench or so with advanced controls

i disagree, i like playing my own builds so i can trust them at least on the builds.
so maybe heroes with advanced controls.

Buster · Nov 25, 2007, 07:00 PM // 19:00

I never understood that either. Why have 25 and can only use 3 was kind of awkward. They probably should have gave us less heroes because each hero can do multiple builds.

Tyla · Nov 25, 2007, 07:09 PM // 19:09

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Originally Posted by Buster

I never understood that either. Why have 25 and can only use 3 was kind of awkward. They probably should have gave us less heroes because each hero can do multiple builds.

including the fact you can salvage them without loss of other runes or anything.
mind you....heroes = more storage,but for runes/weapons/offhands

Mineria · Nov 25, 2007, 10:43 PM // 22:43

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Originally Posted by Mineria

To the OP's question: Why have 25 heros to use 3 at a time?

To have choice of variety and some storage place free.
Different looks and different build combos which include runes/insignias.

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i disagree, i like playing my own builds so i can trust them at least on the builds.
so maybe heroes with advanced controls.

Wonder why you don't play WoW then...
Really, I find some of the "other people suck but not me posts" laughable.
Or maybe the correct word is sad.
Everytime I see such a message on the board, it makes me remember those onyxia/blackwing lair raid leader sound clips on the net.

Tender Wolf · Nov 26, 2007, 12:24 AM // 00:24

I wish we could have a full party of heroes. I can see why this isn't the case but I'd still like it. Of course some may also say it's ANet's plan to make us get more PUG's.

Loviatar · Nov 26, 2007, 01:20 AM // 01:20

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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf

I wish we could have a full party of heroes. I can see why this isn't the case but I'd still like it. Of course some may also say it's ANet's plan to make us get more PUG's.

only if they made you choose between 3 heroes and zero additional henchmen or henchmen only.

since you can take 3 heroes plus fill out the full party with henchies.........NO FORCED PUG REQUIRED......it proves forced pug is not the object of the limit

general not aimed at you/your post

Zeek Aran · Nov 26, 2007, 01:26 AM // 01:26

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

only if they made you choose between 3 heroes and zero additional henchmen or henchmen only.

since you can take 3 heroes plus fill out the full party with henchies.........NO FORCED PUG REQUIRED......it proves forced pug is not the object of the limit

general not aimed at you/your post

Why do you always talk in bold?

Bryant Again · Nov 26, 2007, 02:48 AM // 02:48

Because he hung it out so much in Pre, so he assumes everyone is an idiot and has to emphasize each mainpoint??

Crom The Pale · Nov 26, 2007, 04:58 AM // 04:58

And in fact he is wrong.

Your are foced to PUG in areas where you can not complete the mission with heros/hench. You might be able to with 7 heros, this is an option we would like.

One example of this is missions like Dunes of Despair where your party must split up to complete the bonus and mission at the same time. Flaging 3 heros rarely is sufficient to protect the ghost and if you leave the hench behind they just die or let the ghost die. Being able to flag say 4-5 heros there and take the remaining with you to kill the bosses and get the bonus would be far better than the current method of expoiting the corpses with /necro.

Mineria · Nov 26, 2007, 11:03 AM // 11:03

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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

One example of this is missions like Dunes of Despair where your party must split up to complete the bonus and mission at the same time. Flaging 3 heros rarely is sufficient to protect the ghost and if you leave the hench behind they just die or let the ghost die. Being able to flag say 4-5 heros there and take the remaining with you to kill the bosses and get the bonus would be far better than the current method of expoiting the corpses with /necro.

It is called bonus for a reason.
And as you wrote yourself it is still doable with h+h if you split the mission and bonus up by entering 2 times.

Every mission in GW can be completed with h+h. Just because you did not succeed yet, doesn't mean that you can't.

Isileth · Nov 26, 2007, 11:43 AM // 11:43

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Originally Posted by Mineria

Every mission in GW can be completed with h+h. Just because you did not succeed yet, doesn't mean that you can't.

Im sure every mission could also be completed with non max weapons, less than 8 skills etc etc.

You would be at a disadvantage for doing so however.

But it goes beyond that anyways. I would love to try out my own team builds, but since 4 bars are out of my control AND you have to adjust the other 4 to compensate for the henchies weakness you dont have the freedom to try new things out.

Thats the main reason why just updating the hench bars wouldnt work, because its still limited. You still have to build around the henchies.

Red Sonya · Nov 26, 2007, 11:49 AM // 11:49

Are there really 25 heroes per character now? Doesn't matter to me anyways I only use the holy trinity of one monk, one MM/SSer and one Fire Elementalist. I can storm through any portion of the game with these three myself as any character and usually a couple of monk henchies another fire ele and any of the others mostly the blood renewer. The game is already too easy with just this makeup of characters. If I could have 7 heroes I'd play hard mode ALL the time solo without other human players. Nope they should leave it as it is so if people want to do the really hard hard mode areas they are going to have to group it with real live people.

Thundro · Nov 26, 2007, 11:55 AM // 11:55

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

Nope they should leave it as it is so if people want to do the really hard hard mode areas they are going to have to group it with real live people.

That is all I wanted to hear.

Wish more people would think that way.

Isileth · Nov 26, 2007, 12:44 PM // 12:44

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

Nope they should leave it as it is so if people want to do the really hard hard mode areas they are going to have to group it with real live people.

That would be all fine and dandy had Anet not advertised GW as a game you could play solo. To try and cut people off who dont choose to PuG is stupid.

The fact that Anet added heroes shows that they support solo play and we would just like to see them continue with that by adding 7 heroes. The vast majority of people who would use 7 heroes already use h/h, so people who wish to PuG still can.

freekedoutfish · Nov 26, 2007, 01:08 PM // 13:08

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Originally Posted by Mineria

It is called bonus for a reason.
And as you wrote yourself it is still doable with h+h if you split the mission and bonus up by entering 2 times.

Every mission in GW can be completed with h+h. Just because you did not succeed yet, doesn't mean that you can't.

Actually anyone with any sense knows you do the bonus for DoD using the necrotic trick because its alot easier then trying to keep the ghost alive while half your team runs off to kill the bosses.

How ever you cant do the necrotic trick using henches or heroes, because atleast one human has to remain on the other side to let you back in. That trick isnt do-able with just one human.

That only leaves (if you do it solo) the choice to flag 3 heroes at the ghost to keep him alive while the henches help you kill the bosses. While im sure its do-able, its not going to be very easy or fun.

4 utterly useless henches to help kill 3 relatively tough bosses who can be a right pain? I dunno about you, but id much rather have 3 heroes watching the ghost, while I have 4 heroes helping kill the bosses.

It just doesnt make sense to have heroes + henches in the same game anymore. You have antiquated AI working along side far superiour AI. The entire henching mechanism should have had an overhall when heroes were added to make them more similar.

pamelf · Nov 26, 2007, 01:24 PM // 13:24

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

It just doesnt make sense to have heroes + henches in the same game anymore. You have antiquated AI working along side far superiour AI. The entire henching mechanism should have had an overhall when heroes were added to make them more similar.

That is a fantastic, fantastic point.

eternaldarknessx · Nov 26, 2007, 01:48 PM // 13:48

why not have an event where we can have 7 heros?
id love to see a 7 hero event every other month or something.
it would give everyone a chance to test out the 7 hero idea, give some people a chance to do that "impossible" quest because they cant find a pug group to do it.
ANET DO YOU HEAR ME! MAKE IT AN EVENT!!

lol